(This morning, I stumbled into an extraordinary opportunity to understand better and perhaps explain more clearly the grip Donald Trump has on rural America. I got to talk to real people. As a reporter, I loved talking to different kinds of people, and I find that I love it still. In journalism I fear this is a lost art, another casualty of left-right thinking.)
Jerry was a big man in jeans and work boots; he was about 6 feet 4 inches and a hard and muscled 230 lbs. As I left Jean’s Place this morning after picking up my lunch and paying them for the latest Mansion catering, I ran into him and his wife and friends outside the restaurant.
Jerry worked in construction, or at least he did before the coronavirus. He has no job now.
He and two other men were sitting on lawn chairs out in the parking lot with their wives.
They knew who I was and that I was involved with helping Jean’s Place, and they asked me if I cared to join them, they had an extra chair in the car. It was a gracious thing to do; I’m not exactly a local.
I didn’t expect three or four of us to be crying in about ten minutes.
I said sure; I’d like to sit down, we sat in a fairly wide, properly distanced circle. All of them were holding masks; none of them were wearing one. This seemed fated to happen. When you open up to things, things happen.
We chatted about Jean’s Place, and then the conversation spontaneously – perhaps inevitably – moved back to Governor Andrew Cuomo and Donald Trump.
“Don’t worry,” he said. “I know you love our governor. Sometimes, I’d like to run him over.”
Gerry has been reading my blog, I thought, as several Jean’s Place customers now do from time to time. In a sense, I think he was waiting for me.
I was about to get a powerful lesson in understanding Donald Trump’s appeal to rural America, the source of his greatest power and strength.
I knew some of this intellectually, but I was about to feel it on another and much deeper level.
It reminded me that understanding Trump is so much more important than hating him. I’ve written very favorably about Andrew Cuomo and more than once, and I was about to see a completely different view of him, so far from mine or many people like me.
I call it Grunt and Grumble, country people love to sit around and talk with one another, something city people in my experience are always too busy or nervous about doing.
“I hate that bastard,” Gerry said of Governor Cuomo,” he doesn’t give a shit about my family or me.”
“If you watch the cable news, you’d think that all of the people protesting about the shutdowns are Nazi’s with machine guns. I’m not a Nazi,” said. Most nights of late, he said, “I go to bed crying, once my kids are asleep and can’t see me. Jenny and I never once thought we would have to go to a food pantry to feed our kids.”
I always think the same thing at night; he said, “what is going to become of us and all of our dreams and plans, from a vacation to a new truck to college for our son. Forget all of them,” he said. “What gets me crying,” he said, “is when I ask myself, “what am I going to do? Because I have no idea.”
“And I don’t have a machine gun, either,” he said.”Don’t get me wrong, I’m a gun lover, but those guys are jerks. They give working men a bad name.”
For the next half hour, Jerry and his friends talked about how they feel living under the thumb of city people. The whole Pandemic, he said, was mostly a city thing.
They all lost their jobs, and because their kids are home, none of the women can even think of working. It didn’t seem an option for the men to take over the domestic chores.
“He (Governor Cuomo) says we can all open up when he hires thousand of ‘contract trackers,” said one of the women. “How are we supposed to work when the schools are closed? He says the future might be in ‘virtual schools.’ “Really, who does he think are going to stay home with those kids?”
They didn’t have to wreck our lives like that, ” said one of the men, “make us beg for food for our kids, wreck our credit and mortgage payments, wipe out our savings. “You want to see big tough grown men cry; you should have been in our houses these past few months.”
I was struck by how open these men and women were, how frightened. They seemed to be in shock.
The Pandemic was severe, people suffered, but so did we, said Jerry. “We aren’t used to begging for help; I spent two hours a day on the phone trying to find out where my unemployment check is. I want to hang myself,” he said.”We even thought about food stamps, but people can’t get those either.”
Peggie, one of the wives, said, “We suffered a lot more than anybody seemed to know or care about. Cuomo, she said, was just another Democrat, a city guy who only cares about the city. Then he went and took all those sick old people from New York and brought them up here and stuck them in our nursing homes, and killed a lot of mothers and grandmothers.”
And, she added, “we are still suffering. Nobody has any money in the bank; I expect we might lose our house by the end of the year. There won’t be enough time to pay back all the money we owe. And not enough work. My mother gave me $20 this morning and said go visit Jean’s Place and have some pie…”
She smiled. “And you know what? Jean wouldn’t take our money. I was grateful and ashamed at the same time. Maybe relieved. That’s dinner money.”
Jerry got laid off when the Pandemic hit New York City. So did his wife, who worked as a receptionist for a construction company. Neither one has heard from their bosses about whether they still have work.
“This isn’t about Nazis and Democrats,” he said, “we are fighting for our lives.”
I saw Jerry’s eyes well up again, and so did Nate’s, also a carpenter and landscaper (in rural America, people have two or three jobs, many seasonal, to survive. There are no other jobs around anymore. There are none in sight either.
“I know Trump can be an asshole, ” Nate said, “we’re not blind and deaf. And we’re not stupid. Those tweets are stupid! I hate to see a President tweeting like some high school idiot.”
But, he added, he does care about people like us. “He fought for us to get our jobs back, to get our lives back to normal. He saw there was no reason to wreck our lives. This place is not like New York City or San Francisco. Hardly anybody got sick up here; we don’t know anybody who died except in a nursing home. It was crazy to treat us like we was in New York City.”
Trump, he said, spotted that and speeded the opening up. He saw his opportunity, one said, and he took it. “If not for him,” said one of the men,”we’d still be shut down instead of opening up.”
The conversation shifted as the people there got into it.
“Have you ever not had enough money in the bank to feed your family?” asked one of the wives, she didn’t give her name. “Have you ever looked your kid in the eye,” and said, “honey, we’re having noodles again tonight because that’s all grandma had to give us.”
I laughed. I’ve said something like that to Maria once or twice, but never to my daughter. I guess I wanted them to know I wasn’t born to money either, and don’t have much.
The food pantry was swamped, she said, they ran out of food every few days. It was the first time they had ever gone to one.
Her sister, she said, married a drunken bum – her words.
“She came over to cry with me and tell me he was home drinking all day, pissed off because he couldn’t work and taking it out on her. There was nothing she could do. She called one of those hotlines, but they were swamped.”
Her sister was “all black and blue,” she said, “does that count as suffering too?”
When somebody asked Cuomo about domestic at one of his press conferences, do you know what he said, she wondered? “Well, at least they’re not dead. Screw him.” I heard him say that, I know it was true.
Jerry nodded. “It’s like if you didn’t get sick in New York City, it just didn’t matter what was happening.”
Trump got us out of that hole; they all agreed. They all felt that sickness and viruses would come and go. People would die. But that didn’t mean everything had to die.
Trump knew we didn’t need to be shut down, he was the first one to see it, said Jerry, and everybody nodded.
And because of him, everybody is opening up. That’s why we like him, said one of the wives, her name was Carol. Some of us might get back to work.
I was struck by how much their views about Governor Cuomo mirrored “progressive” views about Trump. They saw him as cruel, uncaring, even dangerous – as if he knowingly killed those elderly people in their nursing homes. He didn’t care about them, think of them, wasn’t their leader.
If you substitute Trump for Cuomo, you’d get an almost word-for-word match, we no longer see politicians on the other side as human, we are manipulated and encouraged to think of them as inhuman monsters who, given the chance, will destroy our democracy and way of life.
What I see often are empathetic people who lose any sense of empathy for the “opposition” candidate. For the Republic to prosper, it seems to me people have to start thinking of politicians in a different way. It would almost take a Nelson Mandela to do that.
Trump has shown no interest in healing wounds, Cuomo is not a position to try to do that, he doesn’t seem to have made dividing people a central strategy of his governance. Biden says he wants to do it, but he hasn’t said how he might do it.
I was comfortable with these people. They didn’t seem very different from me, and we had no conflict with one another. We had no trouble talking to each other. We didn’t expect to be best pals, but it was easy to talk to them and listen to them. Listening mattered – they weren’t used to it.
It was our politics that separated us. Or maybe it was the politicians who labeled us and separated us, the creators of the “left” and the “right.”
I was affected by what they were saying and feeling. Looking into their eyes was very different than writing about them.
Sitting there, in Jean’s parking lot, I saw how we live in two completely different worlds on one level, even though on a human level, we are very much the same.
That is a hopeful thing, that is the way back.
Donald Trump gets this, like him or not. One reason he makes so many people uncomfortable is that he exposes all of the people who don’t get it. Rather than changing, they just focus on him as the root of all evil.
He is in sync with these people, and he alone sensed their isolation and anger and intense hurt. “Hell,” said Jerry, “my family has been poor for 50 years. But we could always get to buy, pay our bills, feed our families. This thing knocked us into outer space. We will spend years getting back on our feet if we ever do.
Trump is agile, unlike people who are “left” or “right.”
He pivots on a dime, instantly, and often shamelessly. He senses the flow, he does not create it, and exploits it, like an owl up a tree waiting for some mice to come out.
One of the women said she was a nurse at a local hospital. She got laid off three weeks ago, there was one coronavirus patient in the whole hospital, and the rest of the hospital was empty.
“We lost so much money because the hospital was empty, and then they brought in a half-dozen sick, elderly people into our hospital from downstate, and nobody would come near us for any reason. Then they took our ventilators and brought then downstate and traded us the sick people they didn’t have room for. I don’t know I’m ever getting my job back. And I couldn’t take a job; I have two kids driving me nuts at home.”
Some of the resentment to Governor Cuomo, I said out loud, seemed to verge on conspiracy theories, the new American way of demonizing people. He seemed to me to be doing the best with a true nightmare no one had imagined.
One of the women nodded, nobody else responded. I wanted to listen, but I didn’t want to be another nodding head.
Sooner or later, she said, the bank was going to come calling. They hadn’t paid their mortgage in the past two months. She can’t pay it this month either. “But the devil will have their due,” she said, “I can promise you that.”
Their stimulus check lasted about a week and a half. They used it to repair Jerry’s truck, buy some groceries, and pay a couple of bills.
I found these men and women to be realistic about Trump; he wasn’t their cup of tea. None of them would want to have a drink with him, or even invite him to sit down them. I asked them if any of them wanted their kids to be like Trump. They all shook their heads. No way.
But he listens to them, they said, and he understands their frustration and anger. He fights for them. “Who else fights for us?” Gerry asked. I saw the other men were shy about talking to me.
I see that Trump, a master at responding to his chosen audience, has once again read the mood of these people, and responded to it. Once again, he is ahead of the curve and is making the curve possible.
And once again, his opponents have stumbled into the same trap as before.
It seems most of them really can’t see beyond the end of their noses. If you only represent half the country, then the country will always be divided. And you may not get enough votes to win elections, it will always be close.
And Trump has a free ride right now; now there is no one standing up to challenge him on anything like a national level. Nancy Pelosi is tough and strong, but she is never going to turn rural people around or make them reconsider their loyalties.
None of this made me love Trump or even respect him more.
But he is not crazy, and he is not dumb. If he is crazy, then foxes are mad. In political terms, he always stays ahead of the curve. In one month, his position has gone from hopeless to close. He is now the King not only of the opening up, and of saving the economy, but of the search for a vaccine.
I’m not sure where Joe Biden is in all this, he rarely pops up on any of my screens.
I was shaken by what I saw and heard, even though I have thought about it and written about it before. I couldn’t help but be emotional, the stories I was hearing were gut-wrenching, just like the stories of the coronavirus families.
I was looking into the eyes of real people; in many ways, just like Maria and me, they were not labels like the left or the right.
Strangely, Trump is not representative of them at all. I believe he is very vulnerable in that way. Honestly, it would not take much for someone to touch these people and pull them back into the mainstream of political life.
But for that to happen, they would have to be part of mainstream American life.
Trump’s strength mostly seems to lie in the fact that he is doing what no other national politician does nearly as well, or even at all.
He is bold, he gets his message out, every day in every possible way.
He knows who he is speaking to.
His use of social media is, in fact, quite brilliant.
One day, some politicians with brains will put up a twitter page devoted to helping one troubled American a day – a farmer, a kid struggling with opioids, a family whose house burned down, a woman who lost her job and can’t feed her family.
Imagine a Twitter account devoted to doing good, one family at a time, every day.
Could that be as or more effective as the barrage of fund-raising messages I get every single day? Maybe so. And how would that make Trump look if a Democratic opponent did it? You could reach disconnected audiences like rural people in a flash.
Franklin Roosevelt and the other great politicians understood that to get something, you have to give something. Most politicians I hear from have their hands out, every time.
Sitting in that parking lot, I saw and felt how Trump is talking to rural America, cementing his ties with them, plugging into them, mirroring them. He’s either much more empathic than we think or gets some great advice.
That is the bond he has with this part of our population that seems unbreakable.
One of the great laws of politics is that nothing can ever be taken for granted, everything changes. Nothing is beyond hope.
Rural people loved Franklin Roosevelt; he fought for them. Up here, the farmers still talk about how he brought the water, how their mothers didn’t have to walk a mile to haul water home.
He brought them jobs, electricity, water, farm aid, and hope. No one else has fought for them since. Roosevelt brought them more than promises; he brought them jobs and things that materially altered their lives.
Who, I wonder, in either party is doing the same thing for these people that Roosevelt did? This would be a good time; they are in deep trouble. Their hearts belong to just about anybody who knows that.
If you look at the data, rural are suffering more than any other segment of our population, aside from Native-Americans. Nobody is doing anything for them either.
President Obama was mentioned only once, but there was a lot of shugging. “He was a classy type of guy, but I don’t think he knew we even existed,” said one.
Gerry had to get up and go pick up his kids; they were at his grandmother’s. Their morning outing at Jean’s Place was over.
I thanked them for inviting me to sit down and for talking to me. I said I felt very comfortable with them, even as I knew were different in many ways. I wished them luck.
I felt pretty humbled.
As I got up to leave, Gerry got up to shake my head and thank me for understanding how vital Jean’s Place was to the community.
“You probably don’t see it,” he said, “but Jean in there cries all the time. She’s done so much for people; it’s been so hard on her. I appreciate what you do, and thanks for listening to me.”
Our country is divided, I thought, but it’s people like Trump and many other politicians who do most of the dividing.
We were not divided out there this morning. We had no trouble sitting down and talking to each other, and I almost fell over when Gerry and his wife got up, and both of them gave me a big hug.
Neither of us even thought about social distancing. It was a manly king of hug, shoulder to shoulder.
It really can be done if only somebody will do it.